0:31 …with me is…actually Walton

• From the land of slow internet
• Very few Trade Unions and Activists use the Internet in South Africa
• We need to change the name of the show RadioSMSunions dot org?
• Need to be more flexible with technology for communication amongst activists

5:46 We have been syndicated

• OccupyBoston now has an Internet radio stations
• I went to Ocupemos a la Coyoacon
• The occupation becomes conceptual, what is the next sphere we need to occupy

8:21 Netbook Love Returns

• Walton continues to praise the Asus eeePC
• Used Clementine at the wedding

9:28 Interviewing a date?

• If you recall we moved cyberunions.org to mayfirst servers
• Jamie and Josue from Mayfirst
• Mayfirst is a membership organization, with 700 members, who are entitled to hosting, websites, emails and email lists to name a few
• The internet should be based on free and open protocols and free software

11:40 The creation of Mayfirst

• Merger of People Link and Mayfirst
• Took on a new structure of a membership organization
• Josue spent most of the 1990s union organizing and community organizing
• Institute for Global Communications, which was the first nonprofit service proivder
• In 1996 Josue was running labor.net then went on to work with Alfredo on People Link

13:35 Mayfirst is a known name why did you all take the name

• In 1999 named media jump start
• 2003 we changed to Mayfirst Technology Collective
• Internationally mayday is known but in the US though based here not known
• The domain name was still available in 2003

16:28 What is the community?

• Join Mayfirst People Link is like joining a union a really good union
• It is an uphill struggle, the way capitalism has developed people think of corporations and not about politics
• Mayfirst is political and needs to be for the betterment of technology
• Participating in conferences and meetings
• Planning to launch more trainings online and offline to expand the community.

19:00 Creating space for the social movements

• A ‘good’ union, need to qualify it
• Server Names…they are all unique names, who is Dorothy?
• All servers are named after activists…Dorothy Day
• Used to have a section in the news letter to highlight the name of a server
• Connection to other social movements, Dorothy Day was a devout catholic

24:00 Challenge to engage most of our union members

• 25-35 Union members
• Challenging cause of the culture of the unions, unions is more of a 9-5 culture
• We do outreach to unions, but it is a challenge and reflects on the larger challenge social movements
• Reminds Stephen of the idea behind the cyberunions podcast, talk to labor to network and connect free software to labor unions

26:30 It takes a movement to bring people together

• Biggest Mayfirst commitment to Occupy has been the tech support
• Ross as main support person has does a fantastic job on getting sites up
• Occupy is getting more tech savy with streamings…to radio to politics of technology
• The future show to reverse the interview.
• The Community is welcoming and not typical capitalist IT mentality, always welcoming to people from where they are coming from.

0:26 Walton is still missing

• Temporary replacement is Douglas
• The not missing EFF interview of the first Music Manumit Lawcast
• Douglas thinks a lot and acts like a lawyer

2:15 Die Die die!!!

• Douglas leans toward the anarchist, Anarchy is all over the place
• Black out
• In spanish SOPA/PIPA means Pipe soup
• Call out for a second show…please give feedback

4:50 The EFF-ing interview

• Join by Parker Higgins from the Electronic Frontier Foundation or the EFF
• Different from the normal shows … looking at it from an activist and legal point of view
• SOPA difference than the DMCA SOPA goes outside the borders
• Rogue foreign sites are the “target” but the actions of the legislation was put on the ISP and DNS providers
• Adds further clauses of Anti-Circumvention which adds another level by diminishing safe harbor
• DMCA is a really big law and could be an entire show…gonna focus on SOPA/PIPA

10:35 The show could be 2 hours

• How does SOPA/PIPA differ in relation to theBerne Convention
• SOPA/PIPA it to take action on countries that agreed on copy right law but are not enforcing it.
• Bye bye Megaupload see the FBI link here 
• No one in Hollywood has listed the sites to go after
• Questions if there are sites that exist that cannot be enforced by existing laws

19:05 These things didn’t just happen

• These are in some ways rewrites of legislation written in 2010 called COICA
• Differences between PIPA (Senate Bill) and SOPA (House Bill)
• Both had DNS provisions…but as time passed went different routes, but by the 18th of January they were very similar
• PIPA used a term to use search engine that could have been a problem it was “Information Access Tool”
• Constitution infringements…these bills would sign non-infringing speech
• Where is the “due process” in the first bill no court order was needed, but softened however order could be a one sided hearing

25:05 Dejazz1 and NO due process

• Site contained no infringing content…seized and site shut down
• Over the course of a year, appealed to the government and gave no info then after a year no case and no new process
• Need to go to DC to file appeals
• Thoughts on OPEN Act
• The “piracy” problem is not something to be resolved in legislation
• MPAA/RIAA tried to position it as a “jobs” issue and not a copy write issue
• Pharmaceutical industry testified in support of SOPA/PIPA but referenced existing laws that worked, shot the MPAA/RIAA foot

33:28 Fairs exist where the goods in question are sold

• Do laws exist now to go after websites
• Root problem is that the problem is not clearly defined
• Aimed only at US directed goods and websites

36:15 What to do about the the next SOPA

• Being vigilant on what the US State Department are pushing
• ACTA (another show)
• These policies used to be for nerds, but now a time to discuss in the mainstream about the real issues
• Big backlash in other countries against SOPA type legislation is great to see action being taken
• Space within #Occupy, inspiring since labor unions supported SOPA/PIPA
• OccupyBoston passed a proposal against SOPA/PIPA
• Thank you for taking the time for the interview

0:30 Welcome to the show

• Walton is away again
• I am back in Mexico
• Coordinate group with the Music Manumit

1:47 Book Deal

• We are partners with Powells Books
• Allies Across the Border

• United Electrical Workers organized a sit-in

5:18 Tech Update

• My laptop got the white screen of death
• Good support from System76
• Will be doing a Statusnet install with a member of Mayfirst

8:14 Part two of the Interview

• Peter Waterman explains his background
• Interest in Internationalism as communication

11:50 What can unions do

• Dedicating union staff to communication
• Let loose on the Internet
• Incapacity of unions to communicate effectively

15:00 Another kind of world

• Cyberspace is another kind of reality, like cinema…
• It is real virtuality
• New Unionism and Unionbook are attempts, but subversive to top down labor

17:40 Tension between Vertical and Horizontal

• Trade union conference is not like Occupy
• Need some forms of coordination instead of top down leadership
• Move from controlling to influencing things instead

20:15 Unions need to go to school

• Need to work with the new social movements
• If unions need a consultant should talk to Michael Moore, He has working class background
• Need a Labor site dedicated to dialog

23:20 Swarm Theory

• Light and flexible formal structure, Large long time commitment
• Occupy Movement is a swarm
• Worker or Collective articulation connects to swarm

28:00 The 1992 paper

• People were pissed off at me
• “‘The 5th international?’ What kind of shit is that?” ~union boss

30:14 Wrap up

• Peter Waterman’s intro in the beginning
• See you all next week

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0:30 How are you?

• Mexico City
• Walton has an announcement
• Might record from South Africa

3:38 Internet on Strike

• Opposition to SOPA/PIPA
• Petition the US State Department
• We Blacked Out
• US Senate vote on the 24 of January
• Where is the Labor Movement on the Blackout?

8:21 Tech updates

• Product review Asus EEE PC 1025c
• Plenty of functionality, Walton edited one of the shows with it
• Not a comparison but just a great impression

12:24 New server Mayfirst

• Moved from Microhosting from Trick.ca to Mayfirst
• Mayfirst IRC community was great
• Stephen is learning sysadmin stuff with the Mayfirst community
• Props to Trick.ca
• Keeping out politics in line with our service providers

14:20 It gets Icy in the server

• Stephen learned how to use Icecast servers
• Could replace google talk
• Might do live show with Icecast

16:23 We riseup to collaborate

• Occupyboston used riseup pad
• Participated with collaborating on the SOPA proposal for the GA
• Integrated chat is pretty nice…bezel style

18:36 Feedback and labor

• Industrial relations in the UK
• Fighting the Austerity measures
• Early morning protest Walton reports!
• Scotland referendum

23:36 IRC Feeds the shows

• Reminder we have an IRC channel
• Some future show topics from there too.

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0:31 Welcome to DF – Mexico City

• I am not making the announcement
• Mayfirst and Laneta (en español)
• I ran into Occupy Mexico
• In love with Mexico City

6:50 Interview with Peter Waterman

• Where the ideas originate?
• Began working with unions in 1985 ICT
• International Labor Communication by Computer: The 5th International?
  

11:34 Working with Communication Officers

• Did not want to save computer data
• Fear of the Boss
• Actually fear competing trade unions

18:34 A further step

• Unionbook starts up
• Broadcasting instead of engaging
• Labourstart is not a dialogical site

26:23 Low level of technology

• What is the penetration of Internet Cafés
• Can’t say trade unions were part of the Arab Spring

33:10 Labor gets outflanked

• Communication internationalism
• Network is the way Occupy has developed.
• Revolutions inside capitalism

35:44 End Part One

• We will have part to in the near future

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00:30…and we’re back!

• Holidays, disruption and dodgy internet connections have kept us offline for a while
• Stephen is standing on the roof of his apartment in Guatemala trying to get a good 3G signal

01:50 Stephen’s updates

• Been getting to know the social movements in the area
• The Catholic Diocese is very active – Liberation Theology
• Stephen lives in the land of capped bandwidth
• Going to Mexico City soon to meet FOSS people

04:50 Walton’s updates

• It’s been cold and lonely in Scotland without Stephen online
• New Year’s resolution: less time staring at the #BlackMirror

06:30 We lose the connection and Stephen finishes the show alone

• Stephen hits the beer and revolutionary peanuts
• Stephen had an interesting New Year’s day and got injured playing football

12:00 Liberation Theology and Guatemalan politics

• Still a force in Latin America
• Silence on the Mountain tells the story of the post-Arbenz Guatemala
• Stephen discovers the joys of developing countries without functioning governments
• The Diocese is fighting against mining companies
• Cooperatives are a major feature

21:00 Tech update

• Stephen has had great success spreading the Libre Design love with Inkscape
• His Spanish teacher is running Linux Mint now
• Stephen practices his Spanish by doing a Spanish install of Mint
• Stephen is exploring lots of different options – quite likely to move to Mexico next

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0:45 We’re back!

• Stephen is in Guatemala
• He has an Internet connection, so we’re back online
• Stephen has lots of interesting updates

10:00 Walton’s updates

• Walton did a show on his own and learned Audacity in a hurry
• It really is great software
• There’s a new trade union podcast – Unite Scotland is now producing podcasts
• November 30 was very successful – Walton shot a couple of videos